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+ <B>Dwayne C. Litzenberger</B>
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+ <I>Sun Nov 9 14:16:46 CST 2008</I>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 12:45:35PM -0700, zooko wrote:
+&gt;<i>I wonder if your current ideas, Dwayne Litzenberger, about making a
+</I>&gt;<i>cryptography API that is easier for people to use safely without
+</I>&gt;<i>knowing a lot about crypto details, means you are exploring design
+</I>&gt;<i>space that the Key Czar project has recently jumped into:
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+</I>&gt;<i><A HREF="http://www.keyczar.org/">http://www.keyczar.org/</A>
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+Yes, I'm aware of Key Czar, and I'm following their mailing list. It seems
+to be worth paying attention to. That said, the impression I get is that
+the Key Czar guys want to work with their own particular high-level message
+syntax, whereas PyCrypto allows users (such as the Paramiko or Twisted
+Conch SSH libraries) to make up their own, arbitrary message syntaxes (even
+ASN.1, though I don't plan to support ASN.1 directly.)
+
+One day, PyCrypto and Key Czar might even end up merging (or one might make
+the other redundant). I guess we'll have to wait and see.
+
+--
+Dwayne C. Litzenberger &lt;<A HREF="http://lists.dlitz.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pycrypto">dlitz at dlitz.net</A>&gt;
+ Key-signing key - 19E1 1FE8 B3CF F273 ED17 4A24 928C EC13 39C2 5CF7
+ Annual key (2008) - 4B2A FD82 FC7D 9E38 38D9 179F 1C11 B877 E780 4B45
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