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> A cheetah template
> can inherit from a python class, or a cheetah template, and a Python
> class can inherit from a cheetah template. This brings the full power
> of OO programming facilities to the templating system, and is simply
> blows away other templating systems
- Mike Meyer
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-----Original Message-----
From: Wilk [mailto:wilkS...@OUTflibuste.net]
Sent: 04 January 2004 13:38
To: python-l...@python.org
Subject: Re: Cheetah best for templating?

"Roger Jack" <r...@elegancetech.com> writes:

> I have just finished reading Code Generation In Action which uses Ruby for
> code generation. I would like to use Python instead. Is Cheetah the best
> tool to use for templating source code files and then generating code? Is
> there something more mature or better?

My graphist and me found it excellent, fast, clear, simple, stable: Pythonic!

We found the others engines too verbose, more perlish ;-)

Like python, the best is to try somes engines, you will see quickly wich
one you need. First, like everybody, i did my own engine, but Cheetah
was finaly a better wheel !

I use it to generate html, latex and xml 

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http://groups.google.com/group/subway-devel/tree/browse_frm/thread/899aff22ec0cc229/c46e96f07a7e1694?rnum=1&q=cheetah+template&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fsubway-devel%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F899aff22ec0cc229%2F7d6664b07f3f397f%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dcheetah+template%26rnum%3D31%26#doc_7d6664b07f3f397f

>Incidentally, one Rails-like feature that I think Cheetah does well at
>but Django (and most other templating languages) don't do, is partial
>templates.  Rails has bunches of files, but in Cheetah you can just call
>a method on the template to render a small portion of the template.
>This is what Rails uses with XMLHttpRequest and innerHTML to update
>portions of a page instead of doing a page reload.

Definately one of my favorite benefits of Cheetah Templates, since it
also makes it very easy to create a library of widgets this way.
 
................
Alex Martelli on Cheetah being used by non-programmers

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/tree/browse_frm/thread/f1389ceb34c3bac/b74b51767f51e5c2?rnum=31&q=cheetah+template&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.lang.python%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Ff1389ceb34c3bac%2Fd3ee57d0e5f32dcf%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dcheetah+template%26rnum%3D38%26#doc_d3ee57d0e5f32dcf

But suppose your design intention is different -- you want your
templates to be maintained by NON-programmers, people which DO
have problems understanding the differences between the above
distinct concepts!  In Cheetah, the above constructs would be
    $myobject.func
    $myobject.index
    $myobject.attr
i.e., totally polymorphic.  The Cheetah designer, on the basis of
a LOT of experience trying to have non-programmers maintain
templates, believe this extreme polymorphism makes things VERY
much easier for non-programmers 

................
Alex Martelli
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/tree/browse_frm/thread/f1389ceb34c3bac/b74b51767f51e5c2?rnum=21&q=cheetah+template&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.lang.python%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Ff1389ceb34c3bac%2Fd3ee57d0e5f32dcf%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dcheetah+template%26rnum%3D38%26#doc_95267ccb58124c7c

Cheetah, OTOH, is a serious contender for the
"best of breed" Python templating utility (at least when templates
need to be maintained by non-programmers).
................

Alex Martelli
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/tree/browse_frm/thread/772dbffa1b8ea81/41b8c28b430690a1?rnum=1&q=cheetah+template&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.lang.python%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F772dbffa1b8ea81%2Fbf7cd796b3cf3818%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dcheetah+template%26rnum%3D61%26#doc_bf7cd796b3cf3818

Aldo Cortesi wrote:
>>what are good templating systems avaliable for python?
        ...
> Cheetah - http://www.cheetahtemplate.org/
> YAPTU - http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/52305

Speaking as the author of YAPTU -- YAPTU is a neat little toy, but Cheetah
is a truly powerful system, particularly if your needs coincide with those
it was designed for (e.g., make it feasible for non-programmers to edit the
templates).  I'd suggest looking into Cheetah (or other powerful systems --
Cheetah looks very good to me, but I don't come close to knowing them
all!-), maybe unless you happen to be in a peculiar niche (e.g., if you
must bundle your templating system with a small app, and you don't need too
much in terms of raw power, YAPTU's tiny size may be a plus). 

................
Peter Maas
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/tree/browse_frm/thread/2814372528876df0/b5b8517c464a4244?rnum=1&q=cheetah+template&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.lang.python%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F2814372528876df0%2Fc438a838081aea0a%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dcheetah+template%26rnum%3D41%26#doc_c438a838081aea0a

 The elegance of the Cheetah way is how they map Python code
to placeholders. Every method and every field of an object can
be addressed in a Cheetah template. 
................
Jonathan P.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/tree/browse_frm/thread/adbc3058a431f1b8/5b49623e0a8c782c?rnum=31&q=cheetah+template&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.lang.python%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fadbc3058a431f1b8%2F3a45e7ec2e495bd2%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dcheetah+template%26rnum%3D67%26#doc_3a45e7ec2e495bd2

Another great bonus of Spyce is that it can work with Cheetah,
the one templating system which I felt like I could live with.

................
Wilk
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/tree/browse_frm/thread/aeeedc93473b9e00/c226ae2b08d2b1c4?rnum=1&q=cheetah+template&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.lang.python%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Faeeedc93473b9e00%2F776fea58e6633b95%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dcheetah+template%26rnum%3D103%26#doc_a8f7c7100764abfb

> I am thinking of using templates
> for this like Cheetah. Is there any other better solution to Cheetah?

There is no better solution than Cheetah

................
Alex Martelli
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/tree/browse_frm/thread/a04b89c2287ca219/d8953099021eca9f?rnum=1&q=cheetah+template&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.lang.python%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fa04b89c2287ca219%2F8234a0c9979eb670%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dcheetah+template%26rnum%3D128%26#doc_8234a0c9979eb670

But a real templating system is something else again.  I've now
personally dumped YAPTU usage and, after careful examination of
all the various offerings around, switched to Cheetah instead.

Give Cheetah a try.  You won't regret it. 
................
Kevin Dangoor

http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears/tree/browse_frm/thread/bb7a6115ca7028c9/4bd4ca24aa61d75c?rnum=111&q=cheetah+python&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fturbogears%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fbb7a6115ca7028c9%2F7bffb1c3622af7a4%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dcheetah+python%26rnum%3D9%26#doc_7bffb1c3622af7a4

I've used Cheetah quite a bit and it's a very good package

................
Ron Stephens
http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears/tree/browse_frm/thread/bb7a6115ca7028c9/4bd4ca24aa61d75c?rnum=111&q=cheetah+python&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fturbogears%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fbb7a6115ca7028c9%2F7bffb1c3622af7a4%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dcheetah+python%26rnum%3D9%26#doc_7f1b09007772bccd

If this is to work, in my opinion, (and by "work" I mean be successful
enough to challenge Rails), then Cheetah must be enabled as an equal
templating language to Kid (at least).  Kevin, you don't know me, but I
dare make this post for the good of Python. Kid may be technically
superior in every way to Cheetah (I don't know), but is the least
popular choice you made for TurboGears. Cheetah is a lot more popular. 
................
Marek Baczynski
http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears/tree/browse_frm/thread/bb7a6115ca7028c9/4bd4ca24aa61d75c?rnum=111&q=cheetah+python&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fturbogears%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fbb7a6115ca7028c9%2F7bffb1c3622af7a4%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dcheetah+python%26rnum%3D9%26#doc_35c3ec66f9d8cb71

People with a strong PHP background absolutely love Cheetah for being Smarty, but much, much better.

................
JZ
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/tree/browse_frm/thread/eac957ba7c426e30/3ebe6739c8c41752?rnum=31&q=cheetah+python&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.lang.python%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Feac957ba7c426e30%2Fa3b9cd8f6cc9e640%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dcheetah+python%26rnum%3D12%26#doc_d971f145521d6bb4

> I've seen nothing in the Python world that compares to Smarty templates

I am using Smarty and I know it very well, but compiled Cheetah Templates
(http://www.cheetahtemplates.org) with its inheritance approach is much
powerfull and easier to use than Smarty.

................
JZ
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/tree/browse_frm/thread/eac957ba7c426e30/3ebe6739c8c41752?rnum=31&q=cheetah+python&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.lang.python%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Feac957ba7c426e30%2Fa3b9cd8f6cc9e640%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dcheetah+python%26rnum%3D12%26#doc_c166b21577e3ad06

But, the problem is PHP itself has so many bad features that I prefer
rather Python to PHP. And I like Cheetah's inheritence aproach because it
is scales very well for complicated web pages. I can develop internet
application much faster using Python (e.g. using application, very cool and
pythonic Cherry2) and Cheetah. And because extending templates using OO
techniques is tthe feature I like, I would rather choose Cheetach than ZPT,
SimleTAL, Nevow and similar solutions. 

................
 	
Alessandro Bottoni

Florian Lindner wrote:
> How suitable is Python for these kind of projects? What do think? Does the
> stdlib offers all basic functions for this kind of requirements?

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/tree/browse_frm/thread/4865ad8dced9d4db/133ada37370deb55?rnum=1&q=cheetah+python&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.lang.python%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F4865ad8dced9d4db%2Ff932e1952225168c%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dcheetah+python%26rnum%3D95%26#doc_f932e1952225168c

Regarding the template engine, the best one I'm aware of is Cheetah
................
Carsten Saathoff
http://blog.kodemaniak.de/archives/10-Python-template-system.html
Cheetah is very powerful and flexible. 
................
Sybren Stuvel
http://www.thescripts.com/forum/post365058-2.html
> But I'd like to know your opinion on what you think is best. The
> Python framework I'll use will be to build an e-commerce
> application looking like Amazon.com

I'm greatly in favour of Cheetah. 
................
Ray Leyva
http://wiki.w4py.org/webware-document-management-system.html

I find working with Cheetah / Webware / Python
substantially faster ( for me! ), in development. I came from Taglibs / JSP (
Tomcat / WebLogic? / JRun ) / XML ( XSP via Cocoon ) / Java. Personal preference
is to stick with Cheetah / Webware template applications, spitting out reportlab
PDF ... but hey they can't ( currently ) support your request of XML to PDF, or
XML to HTML, but I find it easier to work with Cheetah templates than XML / XSLT
transformations. Personal preference only.
................
Keith Devens

http://keithdevens.com/weblog/archive/2003/Nov/17/Python.Cheetah

Cheetah is very nice. Good code even!

What's especially nice about Python -- and I knew this would happen -- is that
that huge hack I had to do to get Smarty to do what I wanted is completely taken
care of with Python's operator overloading mixed with Cheetah's flexibility.

I'm going to like working in Python.
................
James Gardner

http://www.pythonweb.org/projects/webmodules/doc/0.5.3/html_multipage/lib/example-file-web-template-cheetah.html

Cheetah is a powerful, stable and well documented templating system.

................
Martin 

http://www.aquarionics.com/journal/2005/01/15/Mounting_Python#comment-2854

Check out CherryPy at www.cherrypy.org. Take with a healthy dose of Cheetah
(www.cheetahtemplate.org) and SQLObject (www.sqlobject.org).

Martin

................
Andrew Glover
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/python/2005/01/13/cheetah.html

It's true; XSLT isn't the be-all, end-all of templating and transformation
systems. If you use Python, consider instead Cheetah, a template engine based on
Python. Andrew Glover demonstrates its simplicity and power for producing text
in all kinds of formats.
...
Cheetah is an extremely effective Python-powered template engine that can
generate any text-based format. Cheetah's impressive yet simple template
language (based on Python) can yield the most complex of documents
...
Cheetah is surprisingly simple to use

................
The FEAR development team
http://fear.sourceforge.net/docs/latest/guide/Build.html#id2550573

Cheetah has successfully been introduced as a replacement for the overweight XSL
Templates for code generation. Despite the power of XSL (and notably XPath
expressions), code generation is better suited to Cheetah as templates are much
easier to implement and manage.

................


I'm enamored with Cheetah (did anyone get the significance of the name Mombo?)  What would I lose by switching away?

This just might be a deal breaker...  ;-)

Note: I invested a half hour here and a half hour there over the course of a week to produce what I currently have.  I'm not particularly emotionally attached to it... in another few weeks I just might decide to pursue yet another technology and/or programming language.

[P.S.  Nice use of italics in your comment.]
Posted by Sam Ruby at 11:08



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"Personally, I prefer to Cheetah Templates to PSP - it plays better in the OO
world, and I can use intelligent HTML/XML/SGML editors on the files." -- Mike Meyer